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The Science of Skin: Erin Tjam, the Beauty-Obsessed Scientist Reveals the Hidden Causes of the Epidemic of Skin Problems and What You Can Do About It
Can your skin heal itself naturally?
Join us as we talk with Dr. Erin Yuet Tjam, an entrepreneur, scientist, and co-author of Skin Sobering, who is on a mission to disseminate the truth about skin health and beauty.
In this episode, Erin deconstructs the myths perpetuated by the beauty industry, explaining how reliance on chemical-laden skincare products may be contributing to a hidden skin epidemic. She introduces us to the concept of skin sobering, a revolutionary method that empowers people to stop unnecessary skincare routines and let their skin heal naturally.
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- The science behind Skin Sobering and how to restore your skin’s natural balance.
- How marketing influences our beliefs about skincare.
- Why water and Vaseline might be all you need to support your skin’s healing process.
- Personal stories of individuals who’ve embraced skin sobering to address issues like dryness, discoloration, and acne.
- The cultural perceptions of cleanliness versus true hygiene.
- Why skin sobering might be especially important in combatting the rising epidemic of skin issues in North America.
Whether you're tired of chasing the latest beauty products or curious about a more natural way to care for your skin, Erin’s insights will change the way you think about skincare—and may even inspire you to make a change.
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If you want your skin to function properly, to heal properly, to regenerate properly, don't put stuff on it when you're not seeing people. They make your skin worse. We don't need chemicals to stay healthy If it makes you suddenly look good within an hour. There's commercials that look 10 years younger in 24 hours.
Speaker 1:Translate that. Think of it as someone says you can jump one foot higher in 24 hours. Translate that. Think of it as someone says you can jump one foot higher in 24 hours. Just take this Nothing natural and nothing good comes in 24 hours.
Speaker 2:Welcome to Voices of Leadership, the podcast that shines a spotlight on the remarkable women of the International Women's Forum. I'm your host, amy, and I'm inviting you on a journey through the minds of trailblazers. Today we talk with Erin Jom, a beauty-obsessed scientist who is the co-author of the best-selling book Skin Sobering. Erin is an entrepreneur, served as the director of research at St Mary's Hospital and was special advisor to the president at the University of Waterloo during the right, honorable David Johnson's tenure. Erin deconstructs the myths around skincare products and how the beauty industry has been selling them to us since the 1930s. Have you ever wondered why soap operas are called soap operas? Erin also talks with us about moderation and the benefits of giving our skin a break, even if it's just some of the time. Hi, erin, welcome to the show. It's wonderful to see you again, hi.
Speaker 1:Amy, thank you so much for inviting me. I'm so glad we could meet in person and also do remote interviews and chat about things.
Speaker 2:Yes, I'm so excited to talk about all things skin sobering, but first let's chat about IWF. How did you first get involved?
Speaker 1:I was, like everybody else, recommended and referred by another IWF member, lydia, at that time. Yeah, we both worked at the hospital. I was the director of research at St Mary's General Hospital and I also was David Johnson's special advisor to development in Chinese and in the China market. So those two things, plus my entrepreneurial business side, I think I qualified for the IWF criteria. It was quite a little bit intimidating and then I joined and found out people like you, friendly, we're welcoming, we're helping each other. So the intimidation went away and the feeling of belonging came on. So I've been with IWF almost over 10 years.
Speaker 2:I would say it's been a while, because we had a lovely dine around at your house many years ago.
Speaker 1:Oh, that's right. Yes, you were here.
Speaker 2:It was great. Well, I'm so glad you remember and I'm so glad that we met. We've had some wonderful times at various events. So let's talk about our skin. You are the co-author of Skin Sobering, a book that deconstructs the myth about skincare products, explains the chemical effects of these products and educates us on our body's response and process when using products and what happens when we stop. And you describe yourself as a beauty-obsessed health scientist who is a diligent skincare user. What started your journey from worshiper of skin products to a skin sobering expert and advocate? Well?
Speaker 1:my journey is no different, was no different than all women's journey. We want to have beautiful skin. I'm a beauty obsessed scientist, not just by a kind of catchy title BOS, you know I'm a boss but also by actual real life, decades of evidence. I've always cared about my skin. The information I got has always been through the manufacturers of skin products, the promoters of skin products, as well as my physician, who is a dermatologist whose primary job is to fix people's skin, to sell products. So I have always believed products are the answer to caring about your skin. So that was the route I went all through my life.
Speaker 1:I went to Hong Kong just before COVID. We have a group of girlfriends who get together every time I go back and we talk about health, life, beauty, children, men and one of the most beautiful ones she's always been the beautiful one brought a book to me written by Dr Ryuichi Itsuki, my co-author, and the title of the book was Skin Fasting and she said this is eye-opening for me. This book made me understand that chemicals are what make your skin look good while it's on, just like makeup. So all the skincare products actually do make your skin look good while it's on like a drug. When the drug is in you, you feel good, but as soon as the product is off, all the problems that you've been trying to correct the dryness, the itchiness, the flakiness, the fine lines everything comes back, and sometimes even worse with time. She said you need to sober up your skin. I said BS that need to sober up your skin. I said BS, that means not looking after your skin. I look after my skin. That's how I'm going to keep beautiful.
Speaker 1:She said looking after yourself and looking after your skin means reduce and eliminate attacks, the harm that we bring to our skin. That is the true meaning of looking after yourself is to reduce harm. So the skin's harm is UV. The skin's harm is harsh weather. The skin's harm is alcohol, smoking. But what we didn't know is that the skin's most daily and misunderstood harm is the skincare products, which are all chemicals that are very similar categorically to makeup. Anyways, that dinner saved my skin, literally saved my life. I'm almost 60. And I have been skin sobering since 2019. I met her 2020 January. That's when I started dropping all my products. That's how it started a girlfriend's conversation and my search for healthy and beautiful skin.
Speaker 2:Well, it sounds like you went from skeptic to convert and I've mentioned your book to a few people and generally I've been met with skepticism and I assume your experiences have been magnified. Yes, Absolutely.
Speaker 1:Even my girlfriend, my closest girlfriend, was like oh are you sure? Because when you stop using skincare products it is exactly the same as when you stop using alcohol, sugar and cigarettes. Your skin has been so dependent on the unnatural oils, moisturizers I mean synthetic your skin has been so used to having those kind of oils and those kind of moisturizing and your skin also has been so used to being stripped off of its own by cleansers that as soon as you stop applying external substance, you feel horrible. It's like one day you suddenly stop smoking. You feel horrible. Even stopping coffee you feel horrible because we have become dependent. So without the products, you need at least two weeks to four weeks to readjust. It's like withdrawal, almost Absolutely. So that is the one thing why you will run into skepticism is people feel bad when they don't use it. The second biggest thing that why you will run into skepticism is this idea of moisturize, moisturize, moisturize has been set in our brain since the late 1930s by soap opera.
Speaker 2:I love that story about soap operas or soap operas, because they were actually selling soap. It was a great anecdote in the book.
Speaker 1:Most people don't know that you read my book. So thank you, you know. Most people say oh yeah, I watch soap operas. They've started for a long time, 80 years.
Speaker 2:It's about 80 years long now.
Speaker 1:And so the beauty company, cleaning company, bought this whole time slot and used that to sell soap. So hence the term soap opera. So can you imagine our grandmother's mother have begun to listen to this kind of message that your skin is not clean unless you use effective cleansers and your skin is not beautiful unless you put things on it to make it beautiful? So, with the two factors, most people are skeptical because they've heard it for four generations. They've heard it from their dermatologist, they've heard it from the most beautiful people in the world, the Jennifers, anna Sten, jennifer Garner, sophia Vergara, ellen DeGeneres has a line called kind science.
Speaker 1:I'm like there's real science and fake science. There's no kind science. The kindest you can do to your skin is don't harm it. And if you understand why skincare products and cleansers is a form of harm, not a form of care and nutrient, then you will begin to adjust your thinking and say some of the things I've been hearing are wrong, like the very first thing, which is you can absorb the nutrients through your skin. Hmm, shall I elaborate on that?
Speaker 2:Well, yes, I'd actually like to get into some of the science. The thing that I found most interesting is that when we put things on the top layer of our skin, we're actually not sending signals to the subdermal layers of our skin to do its job and actually then harming our skin from within, and I found that very interesting. So can you explain the science sort of behind that?
Speaker 1:Absolutely so. The first science the skin is an excretory organ. Its main job is to pass waste. All the pores need to be as clear as possible. Its main function is not to absorb. It can, just like our anus can, absorb stuff from the repository, but the best way to absorb is still through the digestive system.
Speaker 1:The second, most important thing people don't know is our skin exfoliates naturally. That's what babies do. Your skin will die. Your skin will get old and the layers, the old layers, will come to the surface and it will fall off naturally. And when your skin is healthy, the falling off is like powder. But what happens if your skin is not clear and it's sticky or it's gooey? And why would our skin be gooey and sticky? When you put on moisturizers, serums or cream, you are putting a layer of kind of glue-like substance. That glitiness prevents our skin from naturally exfoliating.
Speaker 1:Why is natural exfoliation important when the skin falls off? When the dead skin falls off, it sends a signal to the dermis to renew, regenerate. Now, when you don't let that metabolic process happen, what do you think is the end result? Not in a year, not in two years, but in a decade. Your skin has slowed itself down in regeneration, in renewing. Chinese don't compliment on my skin because I'm not white. We love white color, so I'm naturally a little bit browner because my dad is half Indonesian. But they do compliment on my firmness. They said your skin is firm. It's because my skin regenerates new cells to continue the elasticity. So my collagen is there because it keeps reproducing. But when you stop your cells from falling off, the dead cells from falling off, you stop your new cells from growing. So, yeah, your skin doesn't look good because no new cells is being replenished at its optimal rate. Now the whole natural exfoliation being halted has a second problem. It is when your skin is not naturally exfoliating. Guess what happens? To the top level it thickens up. There's like 10, 20 layers of dead cells. Now they're not falling off, so it's thickening up. It's thickening up days, weeks, months, years. You are having a problem of kind of rough, old looking skin when your product's off looking skin, when your products are.
Speaker 1:The skincare companies are brilliant. They said let's give them some exfoliation, let's sell them some products that are made of beads, basically, let them scrape off the dead cell. Or, even better, let's sell them something that is chemically based with acid, so we can help. The dead skin that is supposed to fall off on its own now got accumulated. Let's help them to scrape it off. Well, do you know what that actual process is similar to? It's similar to having a scab. The scab needs to fall off on its own. So let's say, oh, I'm going to just sandpaper it off because I don't like it. So you sandpaper it off.
Speaker 1:Let me tell you, man-made is never as precise as nature. When you scrape your skin off, chemically or physically, you're going to take more off than you need. Well, you're not going to take enough off. There's never the perfect amount. So while you do that, going to take enough off there's never the perfect amount. So while you do that, your skin got injured from the chemicals or the physical action. Now your skin feels raw, feels red, feels itchy, feels sensitive All the problems that you don't like. But don't worry, there's a product for sensitive skin. There's a product for every kind of skin. There's a product for sensitive skin. There's a product for every kind of skin.
Speaker 2:It's like a circle and then you add the foundation on top, which I've never been able as a young person. I was never able to figure it out, so luckily I never really wear it. But I assume then when we see the red and blotchy, the foundation is then the further cure to that.
Speaker 1:Yes, people use makeup most of the time not to just enhance the beauty. They use makeup to cover up something they don't like. And the something that they don't like there's a category of them. It's usually related to color. I don't like my color. It's kind of pinky. Well, there's that inflammation, that's irritation. I don't like the color. It's kind of pinky well, there's that's inflammation, that's irritation. I don't like the color because kind of grayish well, that's old skin that didn't exfoliate off. You never see young, undamaged skin looking gray. We damaged it and some of the damage is just life you can't avoid. But but why not avoid the damage that you can easily stop, which is the skincare products you put on? Things that you are to cover up are actually the things that you introduce yourself with chemicals. What a vicious cycle. And makeup that has more coverage means it has thicker and more of whatever the chemicals that our skin doesn't need.
Speaker 2:And then you have to scrape it all off at night anyway, which then you're redoing the problem, right? What?
Speaker 1:do you use to scrape it all off? You're using a cleanser. You're using something that is surfactant-based. That's another thing. Surfactant is an emulsifier. It exists in any product that has oil and water. Because you need to emulsify, like getting a salad dressing nice and smooth, you need that emulsification, and surfactant is the synthetic emulsifier that is in all detergents, all skincare products, all cleansers. So what do you think your skin is going through when you wash your skin with synthetic cleansers, stripping, complete strip off of all its oil, all its natural moisturizer. And when you do your next thing is I need a moisturizer because my skin is so dry. And most people I talk to I say why do you need skincare product? Because my skin is dry? Hmm, do you understand why your skin is dry? It's the weather. No, weather has minor, minor responsibility when weather changes. But what makes you really dry? Is you yourself to strip the moisture off? Now you feel dry.
Speaker 2:The cycle of stripping the moisture and putting it back on resonated with me when I read the book. I'm wondering then, when we talk about skepticism, when we explain even that simple process of the stripping and then damaging the subdermal layers, have you had any success converting people and do you have any stories?
Speaker 1:I do. I do actually. I have about 50 excellent reviews on Amazon, like five-star reviews. Some of them are from. I am so glad now I can use your book and say see daughter, see mom, I've been right, this is the science. So those are already converted.
Speaker 1:Other people is oh my God, you saved my skin, dr John, because I've had color problems, Because I've had color problems, itchiness, dryness. Now you explained why the biggest problem I have for people to understand skin sobering is the cleaning part. People say then my skin is not going to be clean. Are you sure? Water can wash. So this is something I do want to stress a bit is why cleaning has become the gateway drug to us, using all the other products and how. We are a clean obsessed society. We're not a hygiene obsessed society. I want to distinguish these two. Being hygienic is to be able to fight off pathogenic agents, microorganisms and to stay intact and healthy. That is hygienic. Being clean is completely culturally based, A culture. In China, a clean kitchen can have all kinds of bottles on it and it can smell like garlic and it can smell like cocoa. That to them is still clean, because my mom washes her countertop and washes her pots every day but her kitchen still smells like kitchen. But to a Western culture clean is lemon, fresh lavender.
Speaker 2:I know I just laugh, because everything is lemon, fresh, or lavender. Those are your choices.
Speaker 1:That's right. So clean has been completely morphed into a socially acceptable, invented concept rather than being hygienic. So we've been taught a floor needs to be thick and thin. When people install really expensive floors, they go. I don't want to strip the natural oil off the floor. I don't think I'm going to use spick and span and harsh products. I'm just going to use water and that cloth. Well, you know your floor cannot stand chemicals and it's wood. And what about?
Speaker 2:our skin.
Speaker 1:It's stronger than the dead wood, I can tell you. So let me justify for water. Water can clean off urea, blood dust, sebum, sweat and it can clean off even fresh feces. So if your baby's bum is full of poop, you can wash it with water. Water is so powerful, it can clean up most daily guck. I use only water for my whole body. The only thing I would use pure soap is my hands. Why? Because my hands touch toilet seats, my hands touch railings. My hand touches everybody else's hands that touched I don't know what, but because we've been so afraid of germs that the companies, the mighty marketers, have latched onto that. So cleaning our skin has become a I must use product in order to be clean. When you do that, the products actually destroy the protective layers of your skin.
Speaker 2:I'd like to ask you you brought up something very interesting when you were talking about turning skeptics into converts, about I talked to my mother and I talked to my daughter. I can relate to that. I've given up on the generation above me. My mom looks at me like I've got three heads when I talk about skin sobering. But I'd like to talk a little bit more about the younger generation and this rise of the Sephora generation and it almost seems stronger than the ingrained habits of the generation above me. How can we teach our young people that this is not necessary and water and leaving your skin as is is really the best way to go ahead.
Speaker 1:I'm going to tell you, I'm going to admit to you, I am fighting a losing war. Why Can you see sugar in every product right now? And we already know sugar is bad. We, way before sugar, know that cigarette is bad. The war is extremely difficult. It's a royal battle. It's a. So the current book itself is focusing on a women audience, but I am writing two more books and I think these two books could help One book. I am gearing it towards young mothers who have toddlers, who have babies, because Women think about skin problems as wrinkles and fine lines and firmness. Babies and young children's problems are eczema, dermatitis, sensitivity, inflammation. The number of children with eczema has jumped from 5% in their 40s to over 25%. It's a five-time increase in eczema because mothers, young mothers, were told Johnson Johnson is what you need to use every day and your baby needs to smell like Johnson Johnson. It's so ingrained. Another book I want to write is Acne. I think teenagers are not going to listen to you by saying don't use products, because products make them look beautiful.
Speaker 2:Yes, I've tested that theory. They definitely don't listen to me.
Speaker 1:Products are like sugar they give you an instant desired effect. That is why it's so difficult. So it's impossible to tell them don't use the products to make you look beautiful. But if I have a book that says I can help you to end your acne way shorter than it will last, because acne is going to happen. The problem with acne is not that it popped one. The problem is the one will not stop. The one will just continue on and get bigger and bigger. And then, before this one is healed, this one came and it takes forever to heal.
Speaker 1:Because why You're using cream on it, you're using cleanser to strip off its natural oil, you're drying off the oil glands and now the oil glands overproducing. So your whole face is now with acne. And now you're 35, way past puberty and you still have acne. Why? It's the products that gave you this exacerbation of acne. So I want a book that talks about how you shorten the life of acne and how you heal without scars. And that is all about no product on your skin. Let your skin renew. Scar forming is because your skin is not renewing and healing properly. When it heals fast and heals effectively, you have no scar.
Speaker 2:That's a great way in, you're right, because then you're not talking about the thing they don't want to hear us talk about. You're talking about what they're interested in, the problem they're interested in solving. So, erin, can you tell us a little bit about why Vaseline is one of the best things for your skin?
Speaker 1:I know a lot of people do not like Vaseline. They say it's petroleum-based. Yes, it is petroleum-based. It also has been purified three times. It has become the most inert, most purified moisture barrier. You need to understand it's not a moisturizer. And when I say all this, I want to tell you I have zero, no relationship with Vaseline.
Speaker 2:I don't actually know what to call it. It's like saying Kleenex or Q-tips, yeah.
Speaker 1:Vaseline is a petroleum gel. There we go, thank you. I am only giving people information about Vaseline because Dr Yuzuki, who's a surgeon, in his book he explained why Vaseline is the best thing to do as a moisture barrier. Okay, so because of the inert nature of Vaseline, it's just a pure petroleum jelly. It cannot react with anything and Vaseline is the only substance that burn victims are being used on. So burn physicians, burn surgeons will put Vaseline on burned skin to prevent moisture from leaking. But just think about if burned skin can use this substance and it does not react. It does not irritate, it is pure and non-reactive.
Speaker 2:Wow, that's a very powerful example. I mean, I thought of a much more benign example. They tell mothers to use Vaseline on babies' bums when they have a rash to provide a barrier for moisture. I assume that's a lesser serious example.
Speaker 1:But it also says that such gentle and fine skin, like baby skin, people recommend putting Vaseline. So why do we need a moisture barrier? We need to understand we cannot get moisture from outside. We get moisture from drinking water, drinking fluids, and the moisture goes into the layers of the skin. We can only soak our skin like soaking newspaper because your skin is an impermeable membrane meant to protect from the outside world. The best skin, the most healthy skin, the most beautiful skin is intact skin with no holes. But the most important thing is the products make our skin leaky. So transdermal water leak tdwl. It's an actual medical term trip. The water leakage is happening. That's why we feel dry, because water is leaking.
Speaker 1:So vaseline's function is to, while your skin is leaking, give it a thin layer of barrier to prevent water from leaking, prevent moisture from leaking. So we cannot bring moisture in to our skin, but we can prevent moisture from evaporating and leaking out. So Vaseline is great for that. But do not think Vaseline is the end of the oil and you slather vaseline all over your body. No, what. Our primary job is to have our skin regenerate and grow so it can become impermeable again. By that time you don't need vaseline either. You only need vaseline when you feel super dry, when you're in the process of skin sobering. Then you can use a very thin layer, warm it in your hand. Very thin layer of Vaseline basically form a thin foam.
Speaker 2:So I have another question when does sunscreen fit in? I know you personally from online and our discussions are very careful and you stay out of the sun every way possible, but for other people that can't. I gather that's a big question they ask about. Then do I abandon sunscreen during skin?
Speaker 1:sobering. This is the second question, after the cleaning question. Uv on our skin more than 20 minutes a day is going to harm our skin. So sunscreen is a double-edged sword. It's also the lesser of the two evils compared to UV. So my recommendation, first, is do avoid UV. There are many ways. Don't avoid outdoor UV activities, but let's prevent UV with cloths, with hats. I am an umbrella girl. I carry an umbrella all the time, so that probably takes care of 80% of the time of your exposure to UV. Okay, there's the 20%. I'm going to a beach wedding. I'll be damned if I'm not showing my gorgeous put-up face, made-up face. Okay, use sunscreen, it's all right. Anything that's bad for you. If you use it infrequently, it does no harm. The problem is using sunscreen day and my God night. Oh, some sunscreen makers or influencers tell you the fluorescent light in your home is bad. You need to put sunscreen on. You basically need to put sunscreen on 24-7. That is when sunscreen is the more of the evil, not lesser of the evil.
Speaker 2:I'm really glad to hear you say sort of in moderation and choices. Really glad to hear you say sort of in moderation and choices we don't need, as you explained, the cleaning and the cleansing and the toners and the moisturizer, because that's the stripping cycle we talked about. That is, you can set that aside and never do that, but you can live your life from a makeup sunscreen standpoint once in a while. Yes, absolutely.
Speaker 1:Actually I listened exactly to what Amy said. So if I want to look the best, by all means use skincare products and makeup. If you want your skin to function properly, to heal properly, to regenerate properly, don't put stuff on it when you're not seeing people. They make your skin worse. Once you sober up. Now I can put stuff on it. When you're not seeing people, they make your skin worse once you sober up. Now I can put anything on. Actually, you know, funny. I mean, I put makeup on yesterday because I had a house gas right away. I got a zit here and a zit here. It's like whoa. But then I don't worry because my skin is so healthy, it'll heal.
Speaker 1:The healing process is so short. For me it's one to two days. So our skin, just like our stomach, just like our digestive system, we don't need chemicals to stay healthy. If it makes you suddenly look good within an hour. There's commercials that look 10 years younger in 24 hours. Translate that. Think of it as someone says you can jump one foot higher in 24 hours. Translate that. Think of it as someone says you can jump one foot higher in 24 hours. Just take this. Or you can run five times faster in two weeks. Just take this. You're going to question about this. Nothing natural and nothing good comes in 24 hours think.
Speaker 2:Good comes in 24 hours. True beauty, true health takes time, so on that. So let's assume that we have converted everyone who is listening to this podcast. What are the first steps? If someone wanted to start skin sobering?
Speaker 1:Today I want to start, but I'm full of makeup. Okay, wash your face with pure soap. So soak to wash your face. You're gonna feel super dry that day. Pipe through it. If you can't fight through it, put a bit of vaseline and the next day wash just with water, lukewarm water, and don't. Don't wash your face. Where your skin can move, like that. You're too tough. Skin is like I said, skin's like tofu, skin's like boiled egg, like if you can move it, you're moving it too too hard. You should be able to wash it gently, like if I'm washing my face, my skin is not moving with it. So wash it and then just let it be, let it sweat, let it just do its natural daily thing. At night your skin has got nothing other than dust.
Speaker 2:Wash it with water, go to bed, continue with that for 30 days and will we see some results after about 30 days?
Speaker 1:You will first see that your color is getting glowy. You're not having that dead skin layer on your skin. Second, you won't feel dry after about 30 days and then you're going to see your skin actually going back to what it looked like when you were younger, because you are now letting your skin function naturally on its own. Now, in those 30 days, plus the whole year after, you're going to run into a lot of questions, a lot of problems Even I did. There'll be an excessive amount of flaking, There'll be a red spot here and there'll be itchiness.
Speaker 1:Somewhere In my book I talk about how you handle it. It's all to do with your cleansing. So if you feel drier, you need to reduce the temperature. If you feel oilier, you increase the temperature and the washing time. You need to understand your skin. You need to feel your skin. This is all about understanding our body. Like fasting, when people first learn how to fast, you need to understand what a hunger cycle is, that how you can drink a lot of water and the hunger cycle kind of goes away. So I will have a webinar that I will run regularly and if people want to have the questions or have their hurdles answered, please sign up to. I have a skinsoberingcom is my webpage and I will be chatting with you like this.
Speaker 2:We'll put all of those links in the show notes. Absolutely, we'll do that. Thank you so much for taking the time to tell us about skin sobering and give us some of the science behind it. That's a lot. That's important to me because, you're right, there's a lot of things out there. So I personally like science based information and I really do hope that you are able to break through the noise that's out there and have people understand what you're trying to do and how you're trying to save our skin and also make our lives simpler, I think.
Speaker 1:Thank you for being a warrior with me to disseminate this information. I changed from an activist to a scientist. It's very difficult when you know someone's doing something wrong and if you have an activist kind of mindset, it hurts you when people are not doing it. And now I'm thinking about this as a scientist. So my role is to disseminate the right information and I hope people will take it on. Skin problem is an epidemic. Skin problem is the number one reason that North Americans visit their doctors. Problem is the number one reason that North Americans visit their doctors. Overnumbering diabetes, depression, back pain. This surface organ has caused us a lot of grief and have given us a lot of discomfort. There are things that we cannot control disease-based but we can control the harm that we put ourselves through, and chemicals on our skin is a form of harm, not a form of care.
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